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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 15:17:16 GMT
this dudes a mix of branson and edison. and liquid. i supplied more reasons for mistrusting him than the quote you cherry picked. Privatisation of govt programs, shooting a car into space and your friends having the same opinion as you? I thought you had actual reasons, mate. As in, crooked business dealings with foreign despots, shady business partners from Venezuela, people/funds going missing, that kind of thing. Apols. |
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Post by Wally on Feb 8, 2018 15:17:34 GMT
Virgin are also looking to develop the Hyperloop iirc. Musk wrote a paper in 2012 about how to do it. He also said he and Space X would open source it as they didn't have time to do it themselves. Virgin are developing the UK hyperloop using Musk's paper as their scientific starting point. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 15:23:05 GMT
Whatever people think, having the finance and vision to produce and implement technology such as this is something that should be applauded..
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Post by Fabi Paras on Feb 8, 2018 15:30:51 GMT
LT, maybe we're buying the kool aid, but the world needs more people like him if we're to progress passed the knuckle dragging phase of evolution.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 15:33:30 GMT
Yeah, I agree, Dan. I hope he's not a scam artist.
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Post by Smallman1 on Feb 8, 2018 15:35:57 GMT
As the old adage goes - Never trust a man who manufactures electric cars.
So true.
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Post by Fabi Paras on Feb 8, 2018 15:36:36 GMT
We have to move on from the Buffets and Soros [old money] of this world if we're to progress. It needs the Bransons, Zuckerbergs, Musk and Ma's [new money] of this generation to really move us forward.
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Post by zackster🍕 on Feb 8, 2018 15:53:29 GMT
why would you want to rely on fucking zuckerberg for anything??
call me crazy, but i'd rather live in a government where my tax dollars when towards innovation, and not enriching the already wealthy. then i wouldn't have to rely on the wealthy for innovation.
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Post by Fabi Paras on Feb 8, 2018 16:01:14 GMT
Agreed, Zack. But certainly Branson and Musk give the outward impression of a somewhat philanthropic side. Ma seems to be on the spectrum and maybe I'm overcrediting Zuckerburg but they appear different to the Soros, Trump, Koch Rich Old White man profile.
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Post by roberto on Feb 8, 2018 17:40:36 GMT
Yo Zack - I used to work in the satellite world and I can tell you that people are shitting it with what Musk has achieved in such a short time. He is breaking down barriers like nobody else has done in this area. The understanding of what can be achieved, by who, with and without governments support has been changed a great deal - for the better I say. The old guard such as the NASAs / ESAs would prefer to see things done their way, Musk has proven you can do it another way. I've no doubt he is in it for his own gains as well but with the money he's invested, and the drive he's shown to achieve what he has in such a short time, I don't have an issue with that. They landed a rocket on a moving platform ffs!! That is INSANE!
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Post by zackster🍕 on Feb 8, 2018 17:48:58 GMT
i'd rather see what nasa could do with the amount of $$ we just gave to the top 1%.
and i don't doubt he has people in the industry excited. his ability to get people to become fanatics is part of my concern about the guy.
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Post by roberto on Feb 8, 2018 17:54:50 GMT
i'd rather see what nasa could do with the amount of $$ we just gave to the top 1%. They'd write a lot of PA documents. |
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Post by hugopal on Feb 15, 2018 13:15:01 GMT
i'd rather see what nasa could do with the amount of $$ we just gave to the top 1%. and i don't doubt he has people in the industry excited. his ability to get people to become fanatics is part of my concern about the guy. NASA receives $20bn per year. SpaceX's operating costs are $1bn per year. SpaceX's innovations in reducing costs of space travel and increasing the viability of reusing ships is more impressive than anything NASA has done in decades. I believe both the private and public sectors are important to most industries in any economy, but the efficiency of what SpaceX have been doing would not be possible within a public sector framework. Musk has had a lot of naysayers amongst industry veterans and has been consistently proving them wrong. As for "his ability to get people to become fanatics is part of my concern about the guy" - I don't see this as a bad thing, what is wrong with getting people excited in the possibility of humans becoming an interplanetary species, and that he is pretty good at raising the funds from people to fund his vision? There's a lot of other alternative unnecessary shit which people and governments waste their money towards. |
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Post by zackster🍕 on Feb 15, 2018 16:46:47 GMT
As for "his ability to get people to become fanatics is part of my concern about the guy" - I don't see this as a bad thing, what is wrong with getting people excited in the possibility of humans becoming an interplanetary species, and that he is pretty good at raising the funds from people to fund his vision? There's a lot of other alternative unnecessary shit which people and governments waste their money towards. oh yes, an eccentric billionaire with a boring machine and an army of weirdo supporters could only be seen as positive. and people weren't excited about space travel before musk came along? please. |
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Post by zackster🍕 on Feb 15, 2018 20:49:24 GMT
no not at all. i'm not saying the guy really has nefarious motives. i just get annoyed with the unconditional love most of his supports bestow upon him. i can't stand this world where we pick our favorite billionaires, and then support them like a sporting club. i know that musk isn't on the same level as a koch brother, but he's not exactly jonas salk either. i get annoyed by liberals that hate all of the right wing donors but turn the blind eye to the monied interests on the left. musk isn't a huge political donor or anything, but he sure has taken over a massive role that was once played by the government. additionally, he has liberals saying shit like "look at how productive he is! nasa was just wasteful bloat!" imo, we don't need that kind of talk right now. we are in a battle for our lives, trying to prove that government matters. giving the left a reason to sound like the right is not a positive thing. if you like the guy, more power too yah, but getting pissy and defensive because i question the impact of his work is weird and just proves my point that he garners fanatical support.
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